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Petition on the Belmar First Aid Facebook Page

Referendum Petition in Protest of the Adoption of Ordinance No. 2021-17.

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on the Belmar First Aid Squad Facebook Page.

47 Comments

  1. Anonymous wrote:

    If you want to petition, go door to door and have the voters of Belmar who are legitimate n valid sign. Not some anonymous fb page

    Friday, July 9, 2021 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
  2. Average Joe wrote:

    #1 Don’t think it’s anonymous. They have their names and address. You made an above average mistake.

    Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
  3. Anonymous wrote:

    Perhaps worded incorrectly. I meant that a petition should be done door to door with true voting taxpayer Belmar residents.

    Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
  4. Average Joe wrote:

    #3 Perhaps you should not comment again

    Friday, July 9, 2021 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
  5. Anonymous wrote:

    Perhaps I should. Who are you average Joe to tell anyone when and if they should comment.

    Friday, July 9, 2021 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
  6. Move on Franny wrote:

    Omg. I’m so sick of hearing about the First Aid. The first aid gone. The boro put in a new paid EMS service to provide for the citizens. The old first aid era need to stop crying and move on with their lives. Let the town buy the property and do what they want to provide public safety. All firehouses and first aid buildings have always been in residential areas. Let it go!

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:34 am | Permalink
  7. Petition wrote:

    #5 FYI- every signature has to be from a Belmar resident and has to be an actual signature.
    It will be brought around door to door at least until the requisite amount of signatures is met. At that point it will be submitted and each signature will need to be verified.
    If you are interested in signing it you can contact someone through the Facebook page or contact one of the signatories.
    Thank you

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 8:31 am | Permalink
  8. Dig in franny wrote:

    #6 I think that the town probably shouldn’t spend $1.5 million dollars on a building to ‘do what they want with’. Personally I’d like to see a street or two get paved.
    You said yourself- we already have a first aid building (that one cost $2.5 mil). This isn’t about a residential area. This is about the town spending money it don’t have on a building it don’t need. Surely that is something we can all agree on.

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 8:37 am | Permalink
  9. Anonymous wrote:

    # 8. You answered your own question. Why spend 1.5 million when we can get it free from eminent domain. Unless of course they want to donate the property to the citizens they care so much about.

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:00 am | Permalink
  10. Anonymous wrote:

    It’s an election cycle people. The sigies show the intention of what used to be privacy at the physical polls.

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:10 am | Permalink
  11. Anonymous wrote:

    Witnessing written signatures are rwuired by law with physical attestations. Common mistakes during covid.

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:11 am | Permalink
  12. Business Owner wrote:

    Eminent domain is not”free” .

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 1:05 pm | Permalink
  13. Anonymous wrote:

    MISINFORMATION : the borough will NOT get the property for FREE even under eminent domain. Fair market value 1.5 million will go to BFAS.
    The Only first aid building in town housing all the rigs is the 9th Ave building in question

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 1:26 pm | Permalink
  14. Anonymous wrote:

    # 8. 15th Ave. water lines and repaving in the works as we speak.
    12th Ave next.
    All with grant money the borough fought to obtain.

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
  15. Anonymous wrote:

    #9 Spot on!

    Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
  16. Anonymous wrote:

    #15. Not spot on. The town will pay the BFAS the fair market value of the property established by the Merkler bid. 1.5 million. EVEN WITH EMINENT DOMAIN!!!! The BFAS stands to lose absolutely nothing.
    The problem with the negotiations is about the Deed restrictions the BFAS is putting on the contract. The borough attorney explained that at the meeting Tuesday July
    6th. Watch the video ( of course you’ll have to get through all the nastiness from certain public members).
    By agreeing to those restrictions, the Belmar will be unable to change any portion of the building or grounds. Ever. They will give up right to go to zoning or planning like all other property owners. Does that make sense? What if they need to change something in the future? Would anyone buy a property knowing you can never alter your purchase?

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 6:51 am | Permalink
  17. Boys Club wrote:

    Let’s think about this. You have a group of cops who are all friends running this town. Who’s going to investigate anything? Boat slip shenanigans was immediately brushed under the carpet. They will continue to lie and bully everyone that comes their way, and that will never change.
    Ask any of the employees how they feel, I’m sure it would be an eye opener for many.
    We as concerned residents who pay their salaries should be able to make them accountable, regardless how untouchable they feel. Kirschenbaum makes $130,000 a year, was issued a borough vehicle, with that comes insurance and gas at the cost to us, the belmar residents. The same residents he bullies and says he will not apologize to.
    It is time we come together as a town and fight for what is right. Please bring the Belmar back that we all used to love, and we’re proud to call our home.

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:47 am | Permalink
  18. Let us vote on it wrote:

    #14 yes 15th is being done currently, 12th was already done. That’s two streets in what, 14 years? If the town has 1.5 million dollars to waste on a building that isn’t needed, then I’d rather they use the money to pave streets, or keep in the coffers, or use it to pay the over time for the cops that work as security at DJais or whatever.
    Spending 1.5 million dollars on that building just so the town can ‘have’ it makes no sense financially. And it should be something that the voters choose. Period.

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 9:10 am | Permalink
  19. Guest wrote:

    If they truly cared what the taxpayer they would support a vote in Nov. This administration employs and protects bullies and crooks..

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 10:09 am | Permalink
  20. Anonymous wrote:

    # 19. Ooh please if they asked for a vote on everything that comes up nothing would ever get done. But if the people who are pushing for a referendum want it they can try to convince their nieghbors to sign their petition. That’s the great thing about our form of government. These are our elected officials. The key word being elected. If you’re unhappy run for office or vote for someone else when the time comes. Some time you just have to put trust in someone and give some room for understanding that not everything is true or false that you hear on the street.

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
  21. Anonymous wrote:

    12 th Ave is not done It is going to be finished up to the ocean. So let’s see. This admin has been in office for 2 and one half years of the 14 years mentioned. And they have already done two streets ( on grant money). Pretty good odds there.
    And buying that first aid building isn’t about “having “ it. It’s about housing all of the equipment for public safty.

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
  22. Average Joe wrote:

    #21 This town is doing fine without the ‘NEW’ facilities. We have been safe. Don’t need an above average costly building.

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 6:12 pm | Permalink
  23. Anonymous wrote:

    It isn’t a new building. It’s been used as a first aid building for years

    Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 7:22 pm | Permalink
  24. Average Joe wrote:

    #23 By the time the administration gets done with renovations it will be new. Just an average observation.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 3:57 am | Permalink
  25. Anonymous wrote:

    Maybe as good as new.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 6:58 am | Permalink
  26. Let us vote on it wrote:

    #21 I never mentioned ‘this’ administration. I’m talking about Belmar town officials in general. We have put up with folks who get elected based on promises about doing what’s best for the community. Something seems to happen to the well meaning candidates when they become elected officials. They no longer care about the tax paying residents of this town. Now that assessment does include ‘this’ administration. And as for having a first aid building to store equipment- we already HAVE a building. It’s up at the beach on 10th Ave. and that rusting beauty cost 2.5 million. If that isn’t enough to store this town’s equipment, then why is it there? Spending 1.5 million dollars on a second first aid building in this tiny town doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. However, if you are ok with the money being spent on a second first aid station, well then by all means vote for it in November. That’s the beauty of transparency in democracy.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 8:15 am | Permalink
  27. No brainer wrote:

    Are the grapes getting more sour as we approach election day vs fair and balanced public safety? Rememver those who eschewed the Seat Belt Ordinance?

    Hines Charitable giving committees 1.5 m vs Belmar Residents and Visitors Public Health Building?

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
  28. Anonymous wrote:

    26. Totally agree the public safety building at the boardwalk is a 2.5 million dollar boondoggle.
    But that was then and this is now. That building does not “house” rigs. The housing of those rigs is very important to protect our already invested money. I’m all for paying to send them back to their cozy abode at 9th Ave.
    I don’t need a referendum vote. I feel it’s a good use of my taxpayer dollars. If others feel the need for a vote they have the legal ability by petition to force a referendum. Go for it. I personally thinks that is the true waste of time and money,
    but hey. That’s me.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 2:26 pm | Permalink
  29. Clarify pls wrote:

    #27 Please elaborate. Seat belt laws? So you believe the town of Belmar should have two first aid buildings (totaling $4million)? Personally it seems a bit excessive.
    But if you disagree, then you can vote yes in November.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
  30. Master Blaster wrote:

    Seems that most of you are missing the point- the Taxpayers of Belmar have supported the Belmar First Aid from its inception through donations- fund raisers and taxes – If the Heinz Family and the First Aid Members really cared about Belmar and the Taxpayers the Building should be donated to the Borough to be used as First Aid Building now and forever – not sell it for a Million Five and donate the Taxpayers Money to a Charity of the Heinz Family choosing –

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
  31. Anonymous wrote:

    #30. Good and important point. No one has been able to say why the BFAS has not done that. If they have to be charitable anyway why not give to the residents of Belmar.
    Something about that doesn’t sit right. And no one seems to be able to answer that question.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 4:40 pm | Permalink
  32. Anonymous wrote:

    My problem is the borough does not maintain any of their properties or sidewalks as it is now, so why let them have more responsibility, why have we not yet painted the twelfth ave water tank it’s been over ten years from the original contract and we have a full time first aid why do we need the vehicles to sit in a building the medics should be in the vehicles ready to go like monoc / meridian just like the police their cars don’t sit in garages and lastly if the town is too small for 3 fire departments get rid of one and make that a first aid building, we need to own less property and have more ratepayers to balance the overspending.

    Monday, July 12, 2021 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
  33. Guest wrote:

    Totally agree with #32. We don’t need 3 firehouses in a 1 sq mile town. Use one of those for first aid.

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:16 am | Permalink
  34. Master Blaster wrote:

    Once again – your missing the point – yes we do have 3 firehouses that are undersized and not centrally located – the First Aid building is Centrally located and should make a perfect site for both our First Aid and Fire Department – seems like the perfect time to consolidate our Safety Services which would also be cost effective – isn’t it about time we give this administration some credit?

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 9:03 am | Permalink
  35. anonymous wrote:

    just a reality check that 8th ad D is not centrally located
    tired of fear mongering that this purchase is necessary for public safety –
    because logically speaking, then we are unsafe right now? under this administration?

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 10:57 am | Permalink
  36. Guest wrote:

    #33, I doubt we need 6 firetrucks (per letter from Pringle June 7th) for Belmar/Lake Como. I don’t think you will find another comparable town with 6 fire trucks. If the town has authority over the firehouses to force a consolidation, then they should have done away with at least one of these firehouses years ago.

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
  37. Average Joe wrote:

    This will take years to settle. It’s an above average dilemma.

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
  38. Concerned wrote:

    So there it is
    In the Letter dated June 8th
    buried in the second set of letters link above….
    A town official signed and submitted the bid that included the requirement to execute the
    Certification Regarding Future Development
    Agreeing to not further expand the non conforming use of the site AND that the property not be developed except for single family homes or charitable activities.

    Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:08 pm | Permalink
  39. Anonymous wrote:

    # 38. The letter dated May 11 from Mr Dasti tells the BFAS that they should tell other bidders of the towns intention of bidding under eminent domain. There may be legalities that override or change that.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 7:03 am | Permalink
  40. Proper planning wrote:

    What if we had a plan? A real plan:
    Take the DPW area that consists of many parcels along the tracks(Water dpt., Parking lots, DPW area., and the recycling area) and we combined them to create a fully functioning Fire, first aid, DPW yard that takes zero net tax dollars. The current first aid building flooded during sandy and would not even be able to have a basement if a new building was constructed for future construction. This fact would eliminate valuable training or storage area from future construction. To pay for this Belmar sells 3 fire houses, 1 first aid building and if we add in the lifeguard storage building on 3Rd ave(and store lifeguard stands at this new location,(talk about improper land use of that building, wow!!??) We could net enough money to build something we are all proud of, oh yeah at ZERO dollars. This is the time to do this before patchwork plans are initiated and spending goes through the roof.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 7:28 am | Permalink
  41. Anonymous wrote:

    DPW yard is completely packed. No room

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 11:51 am | Permalink
  42. Anonymous wrote:

    We barely have enough room to store our own vehicles

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 11:53 am | Permalink
  43. eugene creamer wrote:

    #40 … the Borough owned property @ 16th Ave and railroad is the former Belmar Manufactured Gas Plant … Belmar won’t have enjoyment of the property until remediation is complete.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
  44. Proper planning wrote:

    41,42,43 all incorrect and short sided. A proper plan could house all with room left over with proper design. Gene any-storage or activity on that land is permitted as long as the soil is not disturbed, plenty of room to reconfigure and store materials and this only pertains to the park. The other land is not contaminated as of last reviews. Please plan properly as this may be our last chance to have the proper plan executed.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:26 pm | Permalink
  45. Anonymous wrote:

    Eugene our wise Sage is the champion non-biased researcher who keeps us all in line. Not only well known historian by most thoroughly acknowledge Expert.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
  46. Irish rose wrote:

    The First Aid building should have been donated to the town. The town would have paid off the massive debt the BFAS incurred by not knowing how to run a business. How much was Jeannie paid to be the bookkeeper?
    Was a forensic audit ever done? This is a political hit job. Any party or candidate pushing for a referendum will never win.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 11:16 pm | Permalink
  47. Anonymous wrote:

    Were local drunks or visitors balance billed and collected by BFAS for their services?

    Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00 am | Permalink

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