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Out of all the projects pending in this town this one makes the most sense compared to what’s there now
I guess it does unless you live next door.
If I lived next door I would rather have this than the Belmar Inn and the residents it attracts. Will definitely increase your property value.
What about privacy?
Town homes would make more sense. 24 units a half a block from the beach in a residential neighborhood does not fit. This project is the same size as the complex next to the train station. Too big.
No actually it is not the same size
Another loss for the angry mob.
God bless America !
Mr Freeman
You seem to be confused. This project violates dozens of building ordinances. The reason for its size is so that the current property owner, who flouted local laws and was by all accounts a terrible neighbor, can get OVER market value for the property. This is a form of government interference with the free market. The ‘angry mob’ are actually devoted Belmar citizens. And, ironically, you seem to be the angry one. Doing a victory lap while condemning those who lost the fight.
As they say, the only thing worse than a sore loser, is a sore winner. Read up on this project and educate yourself. The angry mobs are the ones that push this crap through regardless of its impact on a neighborhood. A group to which you appear to belong.
Correct. The government is at fault.
Actually, if you actually read the post, it is the greedy developer and the recalcitrant Belmar Inn owners who are at fault. They just happen to use the government to game the system. Don’t forget, it is the government’s building codes that are there to protect us from over development. The parties involved circumvented those laws.
Having the government influence the free market isn’t very American. You may want to rethink your “God bless America” fist pump. I think what you meant to say is “God bless expensive lawyers and spineless government agencies!”
So! So! out of place. 4 stories plus a roof top area, loaded with bumped out balconies, maximum lot coverage and all this to get rid of the Belmar Inn.
Do zoning rules matter at all to developers or courts?
Fortunately, we are running out of large rundown properties. Bring on the Mediterranean Project.
Wouldn’t a building like this look great on the D’Jays/Sideroff property?
The developer got what they wanted and the tax paying citizens of that neighborhood got screwed. The law does not matter if you have the cash. It’s a ridiculous building and, in 10 years, when everyone hates it and wonders who the hell approved it, let’s all try to remember.
About time!
How do all the naysayers not understand how getting rid of the belmar inn will help the area and town.
Will the Mayfair ever be next?
Belmar deserves to be rid of old rooming houses ready for illegal migrants.
The naysayers completely understand how getting rid of the Belmar Inn will help the town. What the naysayers also know is that you don’t do that AT ANY COST. Allowing that cinder block of a condo complex to be dropped into that neighborhood is short sighted. Plus it rewards the Belmar Inn owners for being terrible neighbors for all these years. It is the yaysayers that do not understand. That building will be a problem for that neighborhood. At some point everyone will be wondering how the zoning board allowed it to be built. It’s poor planning based on emotional decision making.
would the building be total electric?
More of government over each.
Mr “D”
Please, for all of our sanity, change the record. You must be a blast at cocktail parties. Government this, government that. Get out of your armchair and get involved or stop the chronic complaining. Believe it or not, it’s not always the government’s fault. And, you’re not gonna like this, the government isn’t a ‘them’ to our ‘us’. We’re all one. So instead of blaming the gov’t on all your problems, maybe it’s time to have a little personal responsibility.
The “all one” in NJ is liberal Democrats. I don’t go to coktail parties. Tooooo old for that.
I assumed you’re not too old to understand sarcasm. But I may have been mistaken.
Like it or not Mr Headinthesand, the government is all of us- you, me, everyone. All of our responsibility. Seems like you are about shirking responsibility, but you don’t have that luxury I’m afraid.
BS to your theory about the government. It’s all about $$. Ask Menedez.
Menendez, Paxton, Trump, Biden, Santos, Hastert and on and on and on.
For every crooked democrat, there is a crooked republican. Nevertheless, there is no them and us. There is just us. That’s not a ‘theory’, it’s a fact. We are it and it is us.
We are responsible for the government that represents us. It might make you feel better to write it all off but if we love our country, we get involved. That means voting for the best candidate regardless of party affiliation. Also term limits.
You’re stuck on hating democrats only. Most likely due to your media diet. But neither party has a monopoly on fraud.
Menedez belongs behind bars. So does Trump. So does Biden (Hunter anyway). Wake up and join the rest of us in reality.
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Sir, the government is always our enemy…
Sir, you’re talking about politicians, not the ‘government’
The ‘government’ is made up of nearly 20 million (between state and federal) of your fellow citizens. They include all four branches of the armed forces plus the coast guard. Police officers, doctors, law enforcement officials, lawn maintenance crews, librarians, mechanics, secret service agents, proof readers, janitors, and on and on and on and on. And that number does not include the countless employees for companies that do work for the government. Road crews, landscape companies, engineer firms, etc etc.
So, when you talk about hating the ‘government’ what you are really saying is that you hate a handful of politicians. Most likely the ones that will say anything and do anything in order to get and keep their jobs.
Just wanted to be clear. We all (even you) enjoy the services and infrastructure provided to us by the ‘government’ every single day.
It’s the political clown show that goes with it that we all dislike.
Where you stand on redevelopment in belmar is clearly defined by who you are, and more what your personal individual fears are.
Those. Who support redevelopment are the more affluent, north end residents whose financial well being is not affected by rising taxes.
Those who oppose redevelopment are less affluent, often multi family owners and individuals who fear increased taxes and being priced out of their belmar homestead.
The multi family owners fear the more belmar improves and eliminates its animal house properties the more scrutiny their deferred maintained property will receive.
‘Charm, quaint’ is the rallying cry of these individuals fearing change, redevelopment, Main Street and community improvement.
Belmar has come a long way since mayor pringle’s lets clean it up and make belmar the best it can be.
The removal of belmar’s cancer properties on both sides of Main Street are vital to a town which should prosper and grow.
If our town does move forward, it will move backwards. Future good residents will choose towns who smartly and progressively stabile and grow their tax base through growth.
On our government, it’s time they realize that stagnation leads to the homeowners burdening increased tax levies.
If you’re the fearful, believe belmar can be more than it is. Belmar is a special place. Belmar can and will be more.
Progress stabilizes your taxes and your ability to stay in belmar as we all how old together.
The north end understands this. The educated understand this. Those familiar and experienced in local government understand this.
Time to embrace the best belmar and our Main street can be.
‘Get out of the road if you can’t lend a hand, as the times are a changing’ Bob Dylan.
You said nothing.
Wow. What a breathtaking mischaracterization. I will put aside the blatant arrogance and just address the meat of your theory.
I live in the north end, I am college educated, and I have a good job. I vehemently oppose the Belmar Inn project and the Mediterranean project. I have lived in Belmar for over 30 years and watched as the town has transformed from one big honky tonk into a beautiful seashore community through reasonable, organic, growth.
The Belmar Inn project will not help stabilize or reduce property taxes. They are putting in dozens of homes where there should be three. Those new residents will require services. Services cost money.
You’re confusing ‘fear’ with pragmatism. I am all for redevelopment. As long as it is done wisely and with long term vision. The Belmar Inn project is a naked money grab and an example of outsized influence over local zoning authorities.
Please don’t condescend and assume you can put people into your need little categories. Educated people want development. But they want it to fit with the master plan and the aesthetics.
What we don’t want is development for the sake of development.
You should talk to some people out there. See what they think. Your inaccurate assessment is purely academic.
Finally, somebody talks the truth.
Looks nice to me. Will clean up town and improve value.
I hope they cap it with a 5G tower.
And wind mills. Dead whales will fall from the sky.
Joe d
You’re a fool and uneducated *****.
Get with it or stay silent. Belmar is not quaint nor charming.
It has many unsavory properties including D jais.
Your mantra acquiesce to receiving a free drink or two from djais to buy off their debilitating and drain on belmar is predictable.
Move on…..
(Asterisks are mine, Editor.)
Hey you. I have an MBA. You sir can’t take constructive criticism.
Hey Joe d
Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and buy the White House/belmar inn and build single family homes?
Because it will never happen, you know it and you like to obstruct and have no solutions.
Stand down unless you can improve the town.
How the heck can I improve the town? I can hardly walk.
“How the heck can I improve the town?” – Joe D
Move?
You are certainly a very nasty person.
Stop picking on me. I’m a senior citizen and deserve respect.
It wasn’t Joe D that wrote that post about organic growth. It was me.
I have no problem with the White House project. Six townhomes will be aesthetically pleasing and, although a single family house would be better, it wasn’t very likely.
The Belmar Inn project? That’s a different story. That is a 2-3 lot property. If the developer were to do 6 townhomes there, I would’ve been in favor. But no, they want a 23 unit box that belongs in downtown Miami Beach. The Belmar Inn project could have supported two to three single family homes easily. If the developers paid market value for the property. Instead, they paid over market value and used that idiotic fact to justify the need for this multi unit monstrosity. The other justification was the tried and true, “it’s better than what was there!”. That may be true but it is not a justification for throwing out the rule book to award the very property owners who broke those rules. With that logic, I should let my house go to sh*#, rent out rooms to questionable characters, and be horrible to my neighbors. When it came time to sell, I could inflate my price because the town would be so anxious to get rid of me that they’d allow a four story condo complex. It is short sighted and insane. The Belmar Inn property wasn’t worth what the developer paid. Now we have to allow this building so that the developer can make back the money he paid for the property. Do the folks that are for this project not see how utterly insane that is???? We the people have to allow this ordinance busting eyesore because the developer is incapable of understanding market value. What happened to the free market?
Just awful that that height and side porches were allowed to appease a greedy developer !
What is the point of having a zoning board when they just cave in and give way to too many variances to developers.
It’s a disgrace and so sad for the single family homes next to them that will now have folks staring down at them from the roof and side balconies!
They have the Belmar Inn visitors stare down at them from the windows there. If you look at the proposed project you will note a bunch of positive setbacks then what is there now.
And let’s not forget how many variances the single family homes around there needed in the past ten years to be built out the way they were from 11th avenue, A Street???? Some of the very ones fighting this went to the Board to ask for variances to be on a lot line to not have the correct set backs, to get relief from the same board. But those same individuals quickly forgot that.
Two out of three of the filing objectors are big hypocrites, one over built on a postage stamp and the other one has a multifamily on his own lot that he rents- so he is a pre-existing non-conforming use in a single family zone. But I guess that’s ok.
Your two examples aside, the rest of us think it sets a bad precedent.
If they wanted to tear down the BI and put in three single family houses that required a few variances? Hell to the yea!
This gargantuan affront to all that is pleasing requires dozens of variances. This isn’t about the Belmar Inn or some people in town that wanted an oversized shed or a deeper porch, this is about circumventing the free market so that a few people can make some extra money. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Yes, it is better than what is there, please stop saying that. That is not an excuse for a total breakdown of local building ordinances. Does no one stand on principles anymore?